What is to be done Part One

If you’re in London later today, make sure to join us for the Take Back Parliament rally at Trafalgar Square at 2pm.

Write to the Liberal Democrats NOW and tell them that a coalition with the Conservatives is unacceptable to you and would ensure that you never vote for them again.


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12 Responses to What is to be done Part One

  1. woolymonkey says:

    I can’t get to London, but I’ll be wearing purple. Not that I’m expecting it to make much difference to either the future of British democracy or the way I dress.

  2. cmcmck says:

    I’d never vote for them in the first place!

    It’s my birthday today, so we’ll be elsewhere, I’m afraid, but have a good time :o)

  3. penguineggs says:

    I don’t think it would be particularly honest of me to tell the Lib-Dems that I would never vote for them again, given that I’ve had a life-long determination never to vote for them, on the grounds that:
    a) I have always been convinced that they would be prepared to leap into bed with anyone up to and including the NF if it gave them a sniff at real political power again; and
    b) the last time they enjoyed real political power, not only did they take the country into the bloodiest war in history and fuck up the Irish situation beyond reasonable recourse, they also inflicted on a bunch of political prisoners a calculated regime of torture which was comprised more or less waterboarding, if instead of water the interrogator used porridge.

  4. x_mass says:

    I know there was a rally in Oxford as well, I managed to fall asleep so I couldn’t get to it. if there is another one tomorrow or whenever please spread the word

  5. shelleybear says:

    Imagines the Greens crawling in bed with the Republicans.

  6. lovingboth says:

    Leaving aside the issue that some people vote LibDem to get their local Labour MP out…

    … would you say that if the Tories said ‘OK, we’ll support your entire manifesto’? Presumably yes (it’s the only way it is likely to happen!) So there must be a point at which the yes changes to no…

  7. smallship1 says:

    I did email them. Unfortunately, everyone’s out of the office so they won’t see it (or, presumably, anyone else’s) till Monday, by which time the deal will (or possibly will not) be made.

  8. finopalomino says:

    Would you rather have a minority Conservative government that calls a snap election while Labour is tearing itself apart over the leadership issue, or would you rather have a LibDem in the Home Office? I’m not saying either of these scenarios will come about, though they are possibilities, and you seem to be seeing the question through the prism of Labour Party piety.

    • rozkaveney says:

      Actually, right now it seems to be the Tory party that is in a feeding frenzy.

      There is no way that the Conservatives would let a LibDem anywhere near the Home Office given their disagreements about immigration.

      • finopalomino says:

        I know, the Tory party has just so much to tear itself apart over! Ashcroft, Europe, gay rights, etc. I still reckon that an unequivocal demand for the Home Office is Clegg’s best game with the Tories. He would still have to finesse the budget, which will be terrible, and plan an exit strategy. He should not compromise on PR, which means taking it off the table rather than have the wreckers get their hands on it. If he doesn’t get the Home Office he should stand back and bet on convincing the country that his demand was reasonable. He cshouldn’t try to go into a deal with Labour because they do not have the seats and they would be constantly humiliated by the Scots Nats etc., like Rawnsley says.

  9. Anonymous says:

    Problems with views expressed

    While I agree with much of what is being said, I think there are some important points which need to be explored.
    Firstly, there has to be a Government and a Government requires a majority in the House of Commons, at least on a day-to-day basis. Secondly, there is genuinely a financial crisis (and yes I agree none of the major parties are proposing to deal adequately with the criminal bankers who are responsible for 90% of the problem, though the substantial deficit the UK was running even prior to the Crisis certainly makes the problem worse for us). Thirdly, a coalition of the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats is the only solution (leaving aside the ludicrous concept of a Conservative-Labour arrangements) which could command a working Parliamentary majority.

    Despite my personal views, I am quite sure that, as a constitutional principle, it is necessary that the Conservatives and Liberal Democrats explore the possibilities of a coalition/abiding Parliamentary arrangement. I am quite sure that the Lib Dems should demand PR as a precondition of any arrangement, but beyond that it would be necessary to remember that the Conservatives have the largest number of seats in the Commons and, significantly, are the largest party in votes in terms of the nation as a whole, though also remembering they only have 37% of the national vote.

    Therefore, it is right and proper that Cameron be able to insist that the Liberals accept a significant proportion of the Conservatives proposals, whilst equally Cameron and the Conservatives have to accept that they must accept significant points of principle for the Liberal Democrats as a price of their support.

    I noted that some of the Liberal elder statesman commenting on election night made, to my mind very valid point, but they must insist on a minimum period before any other general election. As part of the price of agreeing a deal with the Conservatives. The point is that only a Lib Dems/Conservative coalition/arrangement can give a working majority that could last for a few years (or indeed for the life of a parliament). I must say that I would not expect it to last the life of a parliament, not least because one basis upon which agreement might be reached is on agreeing a two-year programme, by which the more divisive issues could be put on the backburner. Remember that this is nothing astonishing as it is rare indeed for a Party to be able to include everything it wants in one or even two years legislative programme.

    It therefore seems to me that Cameron and Clegg are absolutely obliged Constitutionally and morally (as well as, I think, politically) to explore whether they have a basis for going forward together. I say obliged to explore; I do not think either of them are obliged to agree, but they really must make best endeavours.

    Where and if the two of them come to the view that they cannot in all good conscience come to an agreement then and only then would it be right and proper and indeed necessary to explore alternative arrangements. Others have already pointed out the great difficulties in the parliamentary arithmetic in any arrangement other than an agreement between the Lib Dems and the Tories.

    Apologies for the length of this post; there are a lot of serious and difficult questions here,


    PS as Lib Dems/Labour do have more seats than the Tories, SNP not voting on English issues is not a problem.

    • rozkaveney says:

      Re: Problems with views expressed

      The SNP have indicated that they regard electoral reform as sufficiently important that a Labour/LibDem coalition would have some sort of working arrangement with them. I assume that the same is true of the SDLP, the Welsh and the Green.

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